Another trash dies

41 comments

1. mavlad · 17 Mar 2005
   failed to use? wonder how i did try it
2. Loretta · 17 Mar 2005
   You logged about 5 man after and was running around but cant get into zone we was in. Talk more about trash lesha. Vpered.
3. mavlad · 17 Mar 2005
   after? do u type who command ever :)
4. Malth · 17 Mar 2005
   Nice Eq on Kazbek... I'd say the title fits the log well.
5. runulv · 17 Mar 2005
   Lauriel wasn't trash enough for you so you decided to trash Kazbek also?
   
   on another note: other ppl gotten long time in abyss for such trash poofing..
6. Merdenom · 17 Mar 2005
   Zuujujiku wasn't abyssed for it. More relevantly Blaah wasn't abyssed for it. If you can do it without being abyssed, why should we be abyssed for it?
7. Shesh · 17 Mar 2005
   Zuujujiku was deleted, Blaah was abyssed.
8. runulv · 17 Mar 2005
   When did I use Fidlas for trash poofing I wonder.. or Caitlin
9. Derek11 · 17 Mar 2005
   I wondered how long this friendly-rivalry thing would last. Seems that there has been an awful lot of trash talking between BSP and Outlaws. I can understand ragging on all of the fodders that BSP has now (and there are quite a few) but I hadn't expected the trash talk to Mavlad, and now this talk of trash poofing. It's a sad sad day.
10. suf · 17 Mar 2005
    This is what I hate the most about this mud. From week to week something can change from being "illegal" to being "a-ok," without so much as an explanation beyond a different immortal deciding to get involved.
    
    I know at the beginning of the wipe we were repeatedly warned not to send a relocating mage to discover locations of enemy groups. I think Nis or Tajs had a level 17 thief deleted for using a relocate scroll to find a Wild group as well.
11. runulv · 17 Mar 2005
    I had Flandal abyssed for a week after poofing Sajar to a wild group. I was told that was illegal and a new standard, never did it since.
    Poofing to ppl with a nobash/dragon orb char would hardly be "trash" poofing, if you poof with a naked char with no chance of killing anyone.. like I've seen mavlad do a lot should be considered trash poofing and dealt with accordingly.
12. ddog · 17 Mar 2005
    all mages should go to HELL, GO TO HELL AND DIE
13. runulv · 17 Mar 2005
    what does a log of Gerte dying with a nobash got to do with anything here?
14. zdan · 17 Mar 2005
    all this talk about trash poofing is kinda stupid. It seems you can take any action in mud and put the word trash in front of it when you don't like the way something is used.
    
    Relocate is MEANT to be used to poof ppl. Shouldn't matter who does it or who they poof.
    
    If the problem is flag fishing then obviously the flag system needs to be changed. Using relo even to *gasp* find an enemy location is perfectly legal. If you dont like it then move to a nopoof room.
    
    Not a difficult concept.
15. Malth · 17 Mar 2005
    Going by Rorc's logic, poofing to an enemy group is ok, but using flags is illegal.
    
    Blaah being abyssed was utterly retarded. doesn't matter if you think he coulda killed someone or not, he had the flags, and the imm had no excuse to punish him for using them. Punish him for a 'trash poof' is one thing, but trying to use flags? That's about as bad as trying to read runglish.
    
    Also, Lauriel was abyssed, but released due to several factors. It was stated that Mavlad had used relevel items on lauriel when it was down several levels due to repeated deaths. How's that not trashy? Because it's ranked?
16. dave afk · 17 Mar 2005
    Rorc seems to be a special kind of dumbass.
    Try not to make yourself seem like a retard,
    its really bad for the publics view on bsp.
    
    p.s. my allegations are proven true by 90%
    of the posts Rorc makes. seriously, how
    stupid are you?
17. tikk · 17 Mar 2005
    toobad rorc deleted his post
18. mavlad · 17 Mar 2005
    i'm sorry but blaah wasn't abyssed for reloing
    sancho was in the room when he did that even and he said its was ok
    lvl 10 sajar reloing and ranked prismer is abit different thing no ?
    
    
19. Andr3as · 17 Mar 2005
    > Mavlad > no its not different, Zuujujiku was deleted for the exact same thing as you are repeatedly doing, how does not the rules apply to you?
    
20. dean · 17 Mar 2005
    From what i heard its ok to relocate to anyone as long you dont use flags if you die or do anything trashy. Maybe they should remove relocate from the game totally then you wouldnt have all this bitching or better yet remove the mage class.
21. nafa · 17 Mar 2005
    i think mages are ok class now
    but i guess they must have less hp
22. Andr3as · 17 Mar 2005
    > Nafa > Much less hp? any decent 10man group can bash and 2round most, if not all mages, so i dont see the problem with the hps.
    If a mage is puffing to find out where a group is he is most likely dead if a bash lands anyway.
23. nafa · 17 Mar 2005
    why mages should solo fight against 10man group? I think it will be good reason to avoid trash jumping on smal groups. In my opinion mages have enough power, best area spells, globe. and every clan have possibility to defend their trump. It will be more intresting, i guess.
24. u05 · 17 Mar 2005
    <quote>after? do u type who command ever :)</quote>
    
    Enzo stops following Kazbek.
    Elyria stops following Kazbek.
    Merkem stops following Kazbek.
    Sanka stops following Kazbek.
    
    If that's not a trash pk group I don't know what is.
    
25. Rorc · 18 Mar 2005
    I just have to argue that Sanka isn't trash, it's that player's only charachter
26. Loretta · 18 Mar 2005
    Guys as i told be4 there should be just some game feature that will make 'trash' puff/trash pk painful. Any other crap like whining to immortal about 'trash puffer' or whatever is quite lame. This should be implemented into code and there will be much less problems with all this crap. My idea was to make a chance for mage to lose a random spell on pk death or maby delevel. That will force mages to be much more care in so-named 'trash pk'.
27. Rorc · 18 Mar 2005
    > Loretta < Guys as i told be4 there should be just some game feature that will make 'trash' puff/trash pk painful. My idea was to make a chance for mage to lose a random spell on pk death or maby delevel.
    
    Loretta - do you realize how much work it would be to re-spell up a mage after a clan battle? You're looking at some of the hardest spells in the game (power word stun, prism, globe) and saying, well, if you die in pk, you can do without one of those. (And if you actively played a mage you'd understand what i'm saying there)
    
    Losing a spell/stat is too harsh, and losing a level is nothing, the only real way to stop trash puffing is to have immortal intervention. (Losing a level is nothing because there are many relevel items on the mud including some that can relevel you 5+ levels)
28. ronsy · 18 Mar 2005
    Speaking of trash like this, the only thing that should matter is "common sense", imho, as it is written in "help trash". Too bad it barely ever is used by imms that deal with the problem. Because, if you look at this death, or at numerous deaths of lauriel, or other mages that are "trash" in *mind* of like every single player that knows that char, formally, the char has some "eq", money, or "preps". On the other hand it's obvious that eq Kazbek had, or Lauriel had whole wipe, cept for the time it was mavlad's main char, is 100% trash for any clanned person, and, for mavlad also, of course. So, imo, the "naked" definition should be applied with common sense as well, and an enchanted item, or one 2int item shouldn't change the char's state to "eq'd".
    Also, mavlad's "lvl 10 sajar reloing and ranked prismer is abit different thing no ?" and all those talks about "lauriel being a rank 20 mage", and thus not being trash seems pretty absurd to me. If your char is ranked, if it has prism, if you play alot, and can get you a nice set of eq without really problems (as it is with mavlad), and still your char is naked, imo, it is the most obvious trash, and not opposite, as you try to make it look.
29. Rorc · 18 Mar 2005
    From what I've seen, mavlad chooses to not put lots of gear on his mages because he doesn't play them as often as his tank.
    
    Our clan has 20 or so mages who all are played on a fairly regular basis. That's where most of the mage gear goes. (and the thing about mages is that you don't need lots of gear to be effective, a naked mage can do as much damage as a geared mage - and that's what counts)
30. Loretta · 18 Mar 2005
    do you realize this, do you realize that...
    Man I give you atleast a solution of the problem. You dislike it becouse it seems to you too painful. As for me its fine - you has 101 spell, low chance to lose 1-2 real one spells you has will make you abit less brainless and trashy. Its ok solution imo and i cant get why ppl dislike it so much.
31. reafe · 18 Mar 2005
    Or just make relocating to a non-group member give the mage a pk flag similar to that of case, so that If he is killed he cannot use flags after.
32. Shesh · 18 Mar 2005
    This whole far-fetched 'problem' is artificially introduced by the absurd desire of the staff to apply their real-life (vague in itself) notions of 'common sense' or 'fairness' to this virtual world, where implementors are free to set up their own common sense.
    
    Why should RL common sense be considered a good premise for a game rule? the primary motive for one should be playability, measured in avg players per month. Will people start massively quitting Arctic if the 'trash', 'riskless looting' and some other concepts get dropped for good? I don't think so.
33. Rorc · 18 Mar 2005
    >reafe< just make relocating to a non-group member give the mage a pk flag similar to that of case, so that If he is killed he cannot use flags after.
    
    That sounds like a much better plan.
    
34. dean · 18 Mar 2005
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    nafa why mages should solo fight against 10man group? I think it will be good reason to avoid trash jumping on smal groups. In my opinion mages have enough power, best area spells, globe. and every clan have possibility to defend their trump. It will be more intresting, i guess.
    
    > Nafa > Tryed loading globe this wipe? I could be wroung but i think 0 mages have globe spell this wipe and there is 2 stunners i think max also.
35. Rorc · 18 Mar 2005
    > dean < > Nafa > Tryed loading globe this wipe? I could be wroung but i think 0 mages have globe spell this wipe and there is 2 stunners i think max also.
    
    >Dean> There are 4 stunners that i know of, at least 6 prismers, at least 3 tenters, and noone has sucsessfully studied a globe book (as of yet - however, globe is used for pk)
36. Malth · 18 Mar 2005
    Real PKers use elite spells like glitterdust and cloud kill anyways, not those crappy spells like pws and prism! :P
37. nafa · 18 Mar 2005
    dean
    the question was: why mages should be able solo fight against 10man group?
38. dean · 18 Mar 2005
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    nafa dean
    the question was: why mages should be able solo fight against 10man group?
    They shouldnt be able to and they cant. Even a no bash globed mage cant solo a 10 man eqed grouped strait up unless they get very lucky and have 1000 preps. But thats how it is pk has a lot to do with luck. You never know what may happen its one reason pk on arctic is fun.
    
39. barnabe · 18 Mar 2005
    i agree with Shesh, this trash concept is endless and even changes from one immortal to another
    Room for creativity was much larger when this concept wasn't in place
    reset clair spell to what it was and we wont need trash poofing anymore... such a pain to find ppl now!
    
40. Andr3as · 18 Mar 2005
    agree barnabe, give us old clair back!
41. Mike R. · 19 Mar 2005
    i didn't know my family had the tendency for retardation in the blood line. rorc, seriously, you are really getting on my nerves :P